Bonus: Imposter Syndrome & Navigating Life Transitions With Patty Morrissey
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This bonus episode is a conversation that Kerry had with Patty Morrissey prior to episode 6. They both open up about their own personal experiences with Imposter Syndrome. And discuss what should we do in the in-between time, when one chapter in our lives ends.
About Patty Morrissey
Patty Morrissey, MSW is the Founder and Head Coach at Clear & Cultivate and creator of The Clear & Cultivate Method™. Patty believes our homes should "Spark Joy" and that our own definition of success is the only one that matters.
An obsession with personal development and furthering the common good is the thread throughout her dynamic career in social work, higher education, tech startups, philanthropy, and consulting.
Patty applies her experience in clinical social work to unpack both the physical and emotional stuff that's getting in your way so that you can become the person you are meant to be.
In 2016, she became one of the first certified KonMari® Consultants in the world outside of Japan. She is the Senior Instructor for Marie Kondo and KonMari Media Inc., teaching workshops and consultant certification courses from NYC to Hong Kong. As a lifestyle and organizing subject matter expert, Patty was dubbed a “Guru of Tidiness” by The New York Times, a “Magician” by CBS This Morning.
Beyond work, Patty volunteers in her community, runs a Little Free Library outside of her home in Huntington, New York, loves to frolic in the woods and swim in the ocean. Of all of her titles, Mom is the one she's most proud of.
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Instagram | @pattymorrissey | @joincultivateclub
Website | joincultivateclub.com
Chrysalis Time by Tara Mohr
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0:00
Hi, and welcome to Successfully Depressed, the bonus episode. In this episode, Patty Morrissey and I discuss what should we do in the, in between time? When, one chapter of your lives or work has ended. And the next one hasn't quite come into being yet.
Patty Morrissey: 0:18
Well, you know, it's funny. I was at the park yesterday with my daughter and I have a, you know, I, I tend to make small talk with strangers and so does my daughter too. And this woman, we were just talking and, and I, and she's like, well, what do you do? And I was like, uh, kind of, you know, navigating my next thing, trying to figure it out. And I, I was observing myself as I was talking and I, I really kind of sounded like someone who was very confused and lost in life. And, and I was like, well, I coach people. And she's like, oh, kind of like a life coach. And then I was like, yeah, but I have my master's in social work. And I was like, I sound like one of these. You know, sad life coaches. That's not really qualified to even be a life coach. And so then I felt the need to be like, no, I have a lot of like, I'm legit. I have a lot of professional experience. And, and then, uh, I sent her my website after I, I got, we talked for a while and then I sent her my thing and I was like, I'm sending you this. And she goes impressive. And I said, I didn't send it to you for that. I just sent it. So, you know, you were dealing with someone who is legitimate with what I'm saying.
Kerry Finsand: 1:27
No, it's hard that, that imposter syndrome, it's hard, you know, like you have this, um, this self talk that like, I do this all the time, especially now, cuz I mean, I've been dealing with insomnia for like six months. So like it's been like tough and so like, you know, the. Like three outta four days I've had good sleep, but like yesterday I did it. And so just, it's like, it's hard to process things, you know? And then today I feel good. So it's like, everything's easier. And so when you're in that mindset of your, not your normal mindset, then it's easier to talk about something in a negative way, just the way you're phrasing your language. Like you said, like your credibility, you're like obviously credible, but in that moment, you're not feeling credible.
Patty Morrissey: 2:05
Or I'm actually just sharing the truth of where I'm at, which is in transition. And, uh, there's this, there's this leader of Tara Moore. She has a book called Playing Big. And one of the women in my coaching program actually brought up, uh, a blog post of hers that she talked about, this thing called Chrysalis Time. And when you're in the Chrysalis, it's very goopy and messy and disordered and private. And so when someone asks me. Who I am. What I'm about, how I'm feeling when I'm in this Chrysalis space, I'm honest, but it doesn't sound. It's not what people want to hear and it doesn't make me look good cuz it doesn't look good cuz it's messy. And so I say, you know, I've I was an older form and the older form was fully formed and functional and successful. And now I'm in this transitional messy middle that's kind of my specialty is I help people navigate that. And part of my leadership in that is to be honest about it. And then I'm sure I have faith and confidence. Although sometimes when you're in that messy middle space, the uncertainty of it is overwhelming. That'll get to the other side and it it'll be a new form. That's beautiful and different and nothing that I could have, you know, planned and just letting it unfold naturally the way things unfold.
Kerry Finsand: 3:31
That's a a healthy way to look at it. Kind of don't go against it. Kind of just let yourself be. And instead of like, force yourself to be in a certain mood or force yourself to do something, just kind of like go with the flow and everything. And that's, that's where it's kind of hard sometimes, you know when you're not in a good space and you're running into somebody at the market or wherever, like how you doing, you're just like good. I call it the great actor, you know, it's like, this is the acting moment. Cuz it's like. That's a hard thing. How do I get into this conversation with someone? I don't wanna, like, we're just kind of talking briefly. I don't wanna take a bunch of their time. So it's like, oh yeah, I'm actually doing really shitty right now. Uh, how are you doing? Hey, how are the kids?
Patty Morrissey: 4:12
Right. Well, and I even think these labels that we put on it transition is messy. I wouldn't say it's bad.
Kerry Finsand: 4:20
mm-hmm
Patty Morrissey: 4:20
And we live in a world where we want everything figured out, beautifully packaged, organized, and it doesn't work that way. But I think it's worse. People would rather stay stuck, but fully formed, then go through that dismantling process that's required to get to that next new, higher level that you need to go to. And so I think we need to let people express like, oh, I'm in a transitional space. I'm in liminal space. I'm figuring things out. Um, without it being like, oh, I'm not good because I'm not, not good. I'm fine. I'm just navigating something. And there's uncertainty involved in it.
Kerry Finsand: 5:06
Yeah. That's the way I'm trying to do it. You know, some days it's hard on others, but that's the way that I'm looking at it too, is that, you know, I'm just trying to figure things out right now. Like with this podcast it's something I wanna do that's organic. It's a skill that I wanted to learn. It's a topic I wanna learn about. It's something I wanna help people with. And so I'm not putting a label on, this is a business or this is some official thing. And sometimes I have to, I have to fight myself about, oh, I want to be this grandiose thing. I was in a podcast, local meetup last night. We're just kind of talking about like longevity. And so it's, that's, there's a lot that should be the most thing celebrated. It's like consistency over time. And so that's why I'm doing this. Launching, a episode every other week, cuz that way it's, you know, helps prevent burnout and like, oh, I have to do this every week and everything. So it's kind of trying to find that happy medium. So you're not in the sprint, you're in it for the marathon, the long term, you know?
5:57
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